Just don't go on about it anymore.

It is your right to do whatever you want with your political voice, but should you not choose to use it, please save the rest of us the trouble with having to hear about your silence.

Fine don't vote for Obama.  Why do you feel that you have to make sure that everyone knows?  Sounds like a little blackmail to me.

That's a troll and completely and utterly unacceptable.  

To the OP, this shithead's views are not mine.

Blackmail? I think it's given as a reason to support Obama. If you
don't want to get behind the nominee then don't. I respect your diary and all you have done in your lifetime and this is a very personal desicion.

I hope you change your mind in the future.

"It's your turn you asked for it, you're going to get it. Now it is time for you to pick the mantle and fight for those things you think are important. You are adults now time to fight your own battles, some of us have other battles to fight. Be grateful at least we are leaving you with a better position on the issue than we started with. If you lose the battle because you chose a candidate that cannot garner enough support to win the election that is not my fault that is your own fault"

You are correct, except for the portion of blame that goes to you for not voting in a way that furthers your own goals.  That is on your conscience, not mine.

But as for the rest, you are correct.  We've made a choice and now we get to deal with it.

Remember how backward you felt your parents' generation was?  Remember how out of touch you thought they were?

You were right.  Now think on that a little.

this is completely unacceptable.  Please administrators, ban this person because this is just the beginning of his death threat comments,

...however it's not blackmail to point out that actions do have consequences.  

I am a values voter.  Everyone I vote for HAS to be pro-choice.  After that I parse them out.

As an Obama supporter who has gotten frustrated with Hillary more than a little this campaign season, this past week where the primary has been a little less contentious has been enough for me to remember that Hillary has generally been a good Democrat and a good public servant.  So has Obama.  I hope that time will heal your frustrations that are causing you to consider voting (or non-voting) against your own interest.  If you don't, c'est la vie.  Please try to put it in perspective.

David Addington
Karl Rove
John Yoo
Douglas Feith
Mark Rey
Stephen Hadley
John Bolton
Michael Brown
Alberto Gonzales

Are these better reasons not to take a chance with McCain this time around?

You can vote for Obama, and most likely will.

If you have faith in the democratic gains in the house and senate, then you know roe v wade will not be overturned. You also know that McCain will have to appoint moderate judges as well because they have to be approved by the democratic senate.

So, I honestly do care about roe v wade, but am not concerned if McCain wins because I do beleive the democrats will sizeably increase their margins in the house and senate.

I would rather control McCain than have my choice rights compromised as some sort of "post partisan" "change" in washington...already Obama has thrown women, gays, working class people, and others under the bus when it suits him.  I actually sense a hostility in him to women, yes even when he's saying "sweetie" (which is another form of degradation).

So, stop trying to intimidate me with roe v wade.

of calling Blackmail when Clinton supporters are basically saying, "Nominate Hillary or we will defect."

Pot, meet kettle.

And for those of you who call it threatening.  Stating a fact is not a threat.  A threat is when we say we are going to do something negative (like hit you or something).  What is being stated is a fact and a consequence.

is also happening more on the state level now not national.  Thus there should be more focus on electing democratic, pro choice people there, and focusing efforts too.  Thus whether McCain or Obama, the struggle will still be on the state level, over which they will not have control.  

not infinitely better than McCain on?

If you don't want to accept that reality then don't, but please don't ask us to censor ourselves by pointing out the truth of the matter.

If McCain wins and you didn't vote to stop him then you are responsible for his actions as President.  End of story.  If you want to pretend your actions don't have consequences then perhaps you aren't the wise old sage you claim to be.

Well, ok. But how about this? A McCain win invalidates all the hard work you put into the cause. The consequence of your actions may help determine if your life's work withstands attack. How much do you care for it? You can't just say, "oh it's someone else's problem now, I care, but can't be bothered anymore I just want to fade into the middle mediocrity".

It all comes back to the same thing. I must have typed, something like, this a thousand times already. we have an enormously important election coming up. We have a divided party. We need a unified party to win in November. Divided, we lose, it's that simple. Hence, we have to talk to each other without threats or insults.

One side has won thus far, and one side has lost, but in reality we are all on the same side. So, to some extent, we have all won, and we have all lost. But none of that is really important, because the real battle starts now.

I think if we put half as much effort into unifying this party as we do into insulting each other, we will be fine.

Ok, I just thought I'd say all this again. I know it probably won't get very far. So, if you desire, go back to all the threats and insults, and if McCain sends you a thank you note, don't be surprised.

Disappointing to see so many apparently dedicated Democrats willing to act irrationally in November if Obama is the nominee.  The level of self-indulgence in hurt feelings is absurd.

"Healthcare, jobs, the mortgage crisis, terrorism, national security, the national debt, record bankruptcies" - these are your important issues?  Then vote on the issues and get over your bruised ego.

Is it just me, or will some of the people on this site do/say anything to somehow justify not supporting Obama in the general election.  Roe v. Wade.... meh.  The Iraq War.... meh.  Some form of attempted Universal Healthcare (yes, albeit without mandates)...meh.  

Politics is about personality, yes.  But I would hope that the issues are really why people are supporting Hillary.  That being said, I just don't see how not voting, or voting for McCain is even an option.  So much about the future of the USA is at stake.  You may not agree with everything Obama says, but the fact that John McCain vehemently opposes every single issue Hillary stands for SHOULD REPULSE YOU.

Wow. you said it for me too. I won't be bullied by this issue. good diary. Rec'ced

We are taking the reigns, and we're doing it without your help, and often with your active vitriol. The Hillary supporters who denigrate and abuse us younger women voting for Obama are as anti-choice as any Republican, because in their world there is only ONE choice, and it's made by the vagina, not the brain. Note that I'm not talking about all Hillary supporters, only the ones who are coming from a corner, motivated by blind allegiance and abject HATRED of we younger women trying to blaze our own paths.

if I were the type of person to fall into perfect conformity to my elders, I'd be voting for McCain. I was raised by a fundamentalist Catholic. There were aborted baby signs in our barn and I was expected to raise those up too. I didn't fight my way out of that rabble only to be told I need to now surrender my brain to the malicious women who will withhold their support if we decide to take a different route. Out of the frying pan and into the fire, is it?

If you don't want to help, stay home. It's fine. Believe it or not, we ARE strong, and we WILL fight. The kids are all right.

I couldn't agree with you more! I will not be blackmailed by Roe v Wade. I will not have Obama shoved down my throat. Nobama, noway.  

If I come to vote for Obama in November it will not be because his supporters kept beating me over the head with Roe Vs Wade. If I come to support Obama in the fall it will be because he decides to step up and show some real leadership on issues, and not just watered down, weak proposals that fall short of being barely adequate progress, yet alone any real change. I am tired of holding my nose and voting for the lesser of two evils. When Obama shows me he has a pair and will attempt some bold measures that might really improve peoples lives then I will consider him. He needs to stop trying to take the safe route and take a real stand on a real issue. Until that time he is just a better looking John Kerry who will stink up the ballot.

I will challenge any Obama supporter to show me 10 controversial battles that Obama has stood up taken action on. Show me 10 times he voted on an issue that required political courage. Whether he was right or wrong on the issue.

this needs to be passed:

Introduced on April 19, 2007 by Representative Jerrold Nadler (D-NY) and Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA), the Freedom of Choice Act (FOCA) would preserve a woman's health by safeguarding her ability to make reproductive health care decisions free from government interference. At a time when core protections for women's health are being attacked and undermined, FOCA is essential to guarantee reproductive freedom for future generations of American women.

FOCA would restore the reproductive rights recognized in Roe and help prevent further attacks on reproductive freedom. Congress should enact FOCA and renew its commitment to women's health

Even if McCain is elected, which I think he will be if Obama is the Democratic nominee, Democrats should increase their majority in the Senate, WHICH THEY CAN USE TO BLOCK APPOINTMENTS.  They could have used their 40+ at any time during Bush's reign, too.  But they didn't.

I'm thinking of voting for Cynthia McKinney.

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com

Called a stupid, white-trash racist because I voted for Hillary.  When does the Unity start?

That's how Obama has voted on women's issues.

Do you really think your hurting US?

I wouldn't put Roe v. Wade in his hands. I wouldn't be surprised if he nominated a conservative. And while every Obama supporter is telling us to defend abortion rights by voting for their candidate in November, Congress is still controlled by the Democrats. Do they not still have a responsibility in preventing President McCain from placing another Alito on the bench? I won't be blackmailed, either.

Not to mention that in many states now, access to safe, legal abortion is already de facto unavailable.  The Dems have sat by stupified and impotent as Republicans exploit every avenue to thwart women's choice.

Saving Roe won't help us unless Dems grow a spine.

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