SG, This One's For You...FL OK With 1/2 Votes

Al Giordano from The Field has cited an email from Former US Rep. Karen Thurman, who chairs the Democratic Party in Florida. In it she indicates that the Florida Democratic Legislature would be content with a 50% solution regarding the seating of Florida's delegation.

According to Giordano:

This letter, really, indicates a refreshing about-face. The Rules and Bylaws Committee that meets tomorrow in Washington DC can take it as a tacit agreement that if it seats the state's delegates at half-voting power, there will be no more conflict coming from the state party.

Full Email

Dear Florida Democrat,

We're contacting you today because you've written to the Florida Democratic Party during the debate over Florida's Democratic Presidential Primary. We appreciate the thousands of people who have shared their thoughts, feelings, suggestions and questions with us over the past few months. While we unfortunately can't personally respond to each email, we have read and taken them into consideration.

More than a year ago, Florida's Republican-controlled Legislature and Governor decided to move our state-run presidential primary election in violation of both the Republican and Democratic National Committees' rules.

After determining that no viable alternative existed, the Florida Democratic Party was forced to move forward with the early primary as the only way to give all Florida Democrats an open and fair election with maximum participation, regardless of disability, military service or anything else.

Party leaders feel very strongly that the people of Florida deserve to be heard in the nominating process and represented at the National Convention. Unfortunately, because of national party rules, Florida Democratic delegates have been in limbo.
Tomorrow, I believe that will change.

I believe that the DNC's Rules & Bylaws Committee will restore at least half of our delegates, which would put us on par with Florida Republicans (whose national party halved their delegation).

The Party has not made any specific recommendations to the DNC since we submitted our delegate selection plan, but we have consistently noted that a record-breaking 1.75 million Florida Democrats voted in the state-run January 29th primary, which had all the candidates on the ballot.

Tomorrow, the Rules & Bylaws Committee will hear an appeal written by Florida DNC Member Jon Ausman. I have asked our senior U.S. Senator, Bill Nelson, to present on behalf of Florida Democrats. Several of our Congressional and DNC members will also be there to show their support. You can watch it live on C-SPAN, CNN or MSNBC beginning at 9:30 AM.

I sincerely hope that this meeting brings closure to a dispute that has gone on for way too long.

Florida is the nation's largest battleground state, and the Democratic nominee - no matter who it is - is going to have a strong opportunity to win here.

It's time to unite and move full speed ahead toward November to elect a Democratic President.

I'll report back to you after the committee issues a decision.

Thank you for your support,
Congresswoman Karen L. Thurman
Chair, Florida Democratic Party

Sounds like Florida Democrats are ready to put this behind them and focus on getting a Democrat into the White House.

http://ruralvotes.com/thefield/?p=1286#m ore-1286



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Thanks hootie (2.00 / 1)

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by Student Guy on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:42:43 PM EST

No prob... (2.00 / 3)

...I just want this thing to be over!!!


I can see Lake Erie from where I live, so can I please run the Navy?
by hootie4170 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:44:12 PM EST
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It is over (none / 0)

Florida's votes were the last legitimate reason for Hillary to go to the convention.  With this thin reed removed she now will likely bow out shortly after June 3. (My guess is by June 5).

Just ignore the flame bait that will come up and keep getting hits on John McCain.


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by Student Guy on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:47:14 PM EST
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Re: SG, This One's For You...FL OK With 1/2 Votes (2.00 / 2)

Well, it's good news, but I get a kick out of our state Dems doing this crazy jujitsu about who's responsible for the date-change. Why, here's an e-mail they sent to Florida Democrats on June 18, 2007:

Dear Florida Democrats,

You spoke...

...and your Party listened.

As Chair of your Party, I am proud to officially announce that Florida's Democratic Presidential Preference Primary will be held on January 29, 2008, in accordance with a new state law and the will of Florida's Democratic voters.

Although Democratic National Committee (DNC) rules can penalize states (except for Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire and South Carolina) that hold 2008 primaries prior to February 5, the Florida Democratic Party's leadership determined that holding a process outside the state-run January 29th election would be detrimental to the voters of this state.

We did not come to this decision on our own.

Over the past few months, the Party discussed the issue with the DNC, Democratic Presidential candidates, Democratic leaders in Florida, and committed Florida Democrats like you.  We read your emails and letters, and, in the end, a clear consensus emerged.

Florida Democrats made it clear that a date other than January 29th would potentially disenfranchise voters and inhibit preparations for a winning 2008 campaign - a campaign that will deliver the state's 27 crucial electoral votes on November 4, 2008 to the Democratic Presidential nominee.

Also, we all know the importance of November, but the January 29 elections will affect the people of Florida as well, with important municipal races on the ballot in many cities, and a statewide property tax constitutional amendment that threatens county budgets and local jobs.

As the Florida Democratic Party, we cannot and will not support disenfranchisement that could occur if our primary were held on a date other than January 29, 2008. Our state has seen far too much of this in the past.

Also, we agree with many of you who wrote and e-mailed us with concerns that holding a separate, later election would take our eyes off the prize and adversely affect the progress made toward winning the state for the Democratic nominee in 2008. Like you've said, there's just too much at stake.

Because of these reasons, the Florida Democratic Party has respectfully requested that the DNC not enact penalties on our state or Democratic Presidential candidates by diluting the Florida delegation's voting strength. The Delegation Selection Plan we submitted to the DNC is available online at www.fladems.com/delegateplan until July 20 for your comments.

We will keep you posted as the discussions with the DNC continue.

Thank you for your trust.

Sincerely,

Karen L. Thurman

Congresswoman Karen L. Thurman
Chair, Florida Democratic Party

Maybe I missed it, but I don't see where she blames the republicans for this. Dare I say, it almost seems like they willingly moved it! (Not that I was complaining at the time. I was in favor of the move. Who knew a primary would actually continue past March?)


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri May 30, 2008 at 10:58:26 PM EST

Hey as long as it takes away (none / 0)

Clinton's last legitimate reason for taking it to the convention then I don't care how they justify it.  The primary war is winding down.


Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!
by Student Guy on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:00:40 PM EST
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Re: Hey as long as it takes away (none / 0)

Well, she knows the jig is up, but you should read this before thinking she'll be wholeheartedly backing Obama. I'm not really in the "Hillary is aiming for 2012" crowd, but the article is pretty persuasive.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:12:36 PM EST
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Arrgh (none / 0)

I really really really hope that this isn't true.


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by Student Guy on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:17:00 PM EST
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Re: SG, This One's For You...FL OK With 1/2 Votes (none / 0)

Hillary probably helped them write that new letter, giving them advice such as: it's perfectly fine to lie and completely contradict yourself, as long as you use blame someone else and paint yourself as the heroes of the people and the right to vote.  


by ProfessorReo on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:53:45 PM EST
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Well... (none / 0)

McCain has said he's seating Michigan and Florida fully.  

I guess that officially makes them red states now.  


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, former volunteer for Dem candidates. Now Independent.
by BPK80 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:00:44 PM EST

Re: Well... (none / 0)

Source please and link.


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:08:53 PM EST
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Re: Well... (none / 0)

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/arch ives/2008/03/mccain_wants_to_seat_full_m ich.php


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, former volunteer for Dem candidates. Now Independent.
by BPK80 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:10:36 PM EST
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Re: Well... (none / 0)

so the voters in states only care about how their delegates are seated at a convention?  Do you have any idea how many times I have had to explain our insanely complex nomination system to people?  I am willing to bet that a vast majority of people in our party have no idea how a delegate is awarded or what that even means.


by Xris on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:09:15 PM EST
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Re: Well... (none / 0)

However intricate the rules morass may be (and I agree with you; it is), one salient point sticks out above the fray.

The Democrats are not counting Florida & Michigan.  If they do, it will either be at half strength or some comparable fix to seat the delegations as a formality without actually letting their voices influence the process in any way, which is actually the whole point of voting.  

Obama supporters may enjoy this result temporarily but history won't look on it kindly (much like Election 2000) and the party will suffer in the short term and long term.  


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, former volunteer for Dem candidates. Now Independent.
by BPK80 on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:12:44 PM EST
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Re: Well... (none / 0)

I think Clinton campaigning in those two states for Obama would go a long way toward fixing that.  I don't think we will win Florida but I really doubt we will lose Michigan.  We have five months to campaign and I am pretty sure things will look a lot different than they are now come November.  I may be too bullish right now, but I am just shocked that McCain hasn't opened up a 10 point lead on Obama yet considering its been a 3 person race for months.  This makes me think Obama will be just fine barring some massive f up.


by Xris on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:15:35 PM EST
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Re: Well... (none / 0)

Clinton's still in the race so her followers are still identifying as Democrats in GE polls.  If she goes to the convention and is embarrassed, her supporters will have no one to vent at other than the party itself.

Even if that's only 4% of Democrats, that's easily the difference between winning and losing Wisconsin, Iowa, Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Ohio.  


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, former volunteer for Dem candidates. Now Independent.
by BPK80 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:08:29 AM EST
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Re: Well... (2.00 / 2)

Your "concern" is well noted.


by venician on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:38:27 PM EST
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Re: Well... (none / 0)

As is your generic insult.  


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, former volunteer for Dem candidates. Now Independent.
by BPK80 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:06:10 AM EST
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Re: Well... (2.00 / 1)

that's easy to do when you have won your nomination.  do you really doubt that Obama or Clinton would not have already agreed to seat all of the delegates if this thing had been over two months ago?


by Xris on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:12:55 PM EST
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Re: Well... (2.00 / 1)

...and I'm sure the 10 voters who care about half seating vs full seating will throw the election.


Beat McCain!
by thezzyzx on Fri May 30, 2008 at 11:32:03 PM EST
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Re: Well... (2.00 / 1)

So you are officially predicting that MI will go for McCain? I just like to keep score.


by Brannon on Sat May 31, 2008 at 12:07:48 AM EST
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Re: Well... (none / 0)

I rate MI a tossup.  Under any circumstances, I would give it a 95% certainty of being not just blue, but blue by over 6%.  

The national mood has swung left.  By contrast, Michigan has swung decidedly right.  Wisconsin, by remaining in the 50/50% zone (as it was in 2000 and 2004) has swung right relative to the electorate at large.  But this shouldn't be news to most Democrats.  We've been seeing these trends coming for a long time.

One advantage to Obama's candidacy (barring the Michigan debacle) is his appeal in the upper Midwest because it's gone from a total Dem stronghold, to a tossup, to having a trajectory showing it is eventually slipping into the GOP abyss, even while we make gains in the West and Southwest.  


Lifelong Democrat, civil rights advocate, former volunteer for Dem candidates. Now Independent.
by BPK80 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:11:40 AM EST
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Re: Well... (2.00 / 1)

Well, there goes the dozen voters who actually care about that!


by MJJLWolf on Sat May 31, 2008 at 12:43:08 AM EST
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It's over (none / 0)

Because Hillary knows her path to the White House is not through the comvention in August. In order to preserve the power base she has built and be ready for 2012 if her hail mary pass with the SD's fails she will throw her full support behind Obama when the SD's decide next week.

If she really believes he is unelectable her she will be his most vocal advocate which will set her up for the next election cycle. If she is right about Obama she should dump Penn and get Axelrod to run her 2012 campaign.

If she is wrong and Obama has 8 years she will be a powerful senate ally who could push through health care and have a shot 2016. If she goes to the convention she will lose everything including what she built during her campaign. Even if she could win it will be a pyrrhic victory as without the African American vote she would lose in a landslide and be blamed by the party for screwing up the best opportunity in a generation.


by hankg on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:30:13 AM EST


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